matthew 16:18 greek

Sol. read chapter 16 in WEB Us. Cephas is a Syriac word, meaning the same as Peter - a rock, or stone. Thus a would-be Coptic convert, if she feels her baptism is valid but the Copts are insisting on rebaptism, can convert in one of the other Oriental Orthodox churches, get chrysmated, and then attend her local Coptic church and take communion there. Yes, and the Gospels of Matthew and John present the narrative of Jesus’s life and ministry in dramatically different ways. ΠέτροςAccording to "A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature" (BDAG) they state that Πέτρος || Peter (as translated in Matthew 16:18) is translated "stone" in Hom.+; Jos., Bell. And, in John’s Gospel—which is recognized more and more as being more ‘Jewish’ than ‘Greek’—both Kepha and Messias are translated by the narrator. Jesus himself is the rock the church is founded on. Here it is transliterated into Roman characters: kagō de soi legō hoti su ei Petros, kai epi tautē tē petra oikodomēsō mou tēn ekklēsian, kai pulai hadou ou katischusousin autēs. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the forces of Hades will not overpower it. But suppose we presume that. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. Peter himself explains in 1 Peter the 2nd chapter what Matthew 16:18 means. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Differences in practice are slight, with the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom being the standard eucharistic service. All four Gospels and the Book of Acts refer to him as that. You are assuming an English grammatical mindset. The peace of the Lord be with you! The bottom line is that there is some ambiguity here. But that doesn’t appear to be what you’re doing. What I said was: No scholarly lexicon I have consulted, in particular neither the LSJ for Classical Greek nor the BDAG for Koine, supports the definition of petros as merely a small rock or piece of rock. [d] But for those who reject him, “The stone that the builders rejected This Greek word means "an assembly" or "a group of people called together for a purpose." So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ…Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? What Roman Catholics and Protestants (and the Eastern Orthodox) disagree on is what it means for us today. This Greek word means "an assembly" or "a group of people called together for a purpose." Matthew 16:18 18 And I tell you , i you are Peter , and j on this rock 2 I will build my church , and k the gates of l hell 3 shall not prevail against it . Are you aware that Augustine, a recognized Doctor by the Catholic Church, changed his mind, as well? It appears in the ancient Greek, the LXX, and in the papyri with the accusative and is used in the modern Greek with the sense of gaining the mastery over. The Reformation was bitter and nasty on both sides, especially for the English, who kept changing sides, and every time they did there were persecutions and martyrs — but the American Civil War, World War I and World War II even, were nasty and bitter also, and yet the North and the South are getting along pretty well now; the English and French and Germans don’t really like each other but are living peaceably enough. Matthew 16:18 AMPC And I tell you, you are Peter [Greek, Petros–a large piece of rock], and on this rock [Greek, petra–a huge rock like Gibraltar] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the infernal region) shall not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it]. σίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς, ואף אני אמר אליך כי אתה פטרוס ועל הסלע הזה אבנה את קהלתי ושערי שאול לא יגברו עליה׃, ܐܦ ܐܢܐ ܐܡܪ ܐܢܐ ܠܟ ܕܐܢܬ ܗܘ ܟܐܦܐ ܘܥܠ ܗܕܐ ܟܐܦܐ ܐܒܢܝܗ ܠܥܕܬܝ ܘܬܪܥܐ ܕܫܝܘܠ ܠܐ ܢܚܤܢܘܢܗ ܀, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Nestle 1904, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort 1881, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants], ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Edition, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550. But when πέτρα is used of a person in the NT, each and every time that person is Christ. There are several reasons why this argument doesn’t work. The conclusion that every man and woman born into the human race has to make at one time or another, is the answer to the eternally significant question, what think ye of Christ, who do you say He is? What is Peter’s confession? Learn how your comment data is processed. “Orthodox churches” is therefore a misnomer. I am not the only member of the Coptic Orthodox Church I know of who thinks that other churches might have a slightly better description than our church does. Accordingly, the common noun πέτρος does not have an entry in the BDAG, or in the lexica of later Greek I referenced above. But there is no evidence in the text. 14:29 + or – (manuscripts are split, but most +) The following goes a bit beyond your post, but there is ample evidence that Jesus would have taught in Greek, so one cannot lean too heavily on an Aramaic original. I pray that the Chalcedonian and the non-Chalcedonian Orthodox can achieve reunion. To the Orthodox, it means that the Bishop of Rome is entitled to a certain honor and primacy among equals afforded to none of the others, but not the sweeping singular authority that the Western Church gave him. And in that order of Fathers see who has succeeded whom. Matthew 16:18 18 Now I say to you that you are Peter ( which means ‘ rock ’), * and upon this rock I will build my church , and all the powers of hell * will not conquer it . This is the foundation of our understanding of the papacy. Matthew 16:18 New International Version (NIV) 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[ a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[ b] will not overcome it. Assuming all the html tags are rendered properly, I’ve bolded the relevant portion: ΠΈΤΡΑ, Ion. It was a hasty comment, and it appears you have a point. Also, note Augustine’s statement that he understands Peter here as representative of the Church. ; π. δίλοφος, of Parnassus, Soph.—Properly, πέτρα is a fixed rock, πέτρος a stone: in Od. It contains no implication at all of sacredness or holiness.. I’m not enough of a grammarian to draw meaning from the mere absence of the article. You state that LSJ and BDAG do not differentiate between petros and petra, yet they both do. Nowhere in literature of any kind will you find the word THIS referring to a person. Matthew 16:18 When Jesus uttered these words to Peter, it is the only recorded example where He used the term, “the gates of hell.” What exactly did He mean when He said, “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”? Right. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven’ (Mt 16:15-19). What exactly Jesus meant by this is a question of exegesis and not of grammar. Matthew 16:18 … And, being a carpenter like His earthly father Joseph, it would seem possible He and Joseph knew Greek in order to sell their handiwork to the Greeks. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. Once again: Matthew didn’t coin the name Πέτρος. When the Evangelists quote Jesus speaking, sure, they put Greek on His lips, because the text itself is in Greek. That πέτρα is what Jesus meant with regard to the Church is not a question. This usage appears common throughout Homeric and classical Greek and even continues into early Koine Greek (cf. I do not see Christ’s comments to Peter being a justification for the concept of the Pope at all. I’ve shown in several ways why it’s unlikely that Peter’s name being Πέτρος was meant to equate him with a Homeric πέτρος, in contrast to the πέτρα with which he’s juxtaposed here: that word πέτρος was an archaic word no longer in common use; Πέτρος is a standard masculinization of the feminine πέτρα. I have so much I need to learn about the Church in the East. What can be made of these facts? and ed. When a noun is used without the definite article, it is called, in grammatical terminology, an anarthrous noun. By all appearances, judging by the New Testament and later Koine literature, the common noun πέτρος had fallen into disuse. But I don’t know anyone who means to believe that God can change. 7 Yes, you who trust him recognize the honor God has given him. The conclusion that every man and woman born into the human race has to make at one time or another, is the answer to the eternally significant question, what think ye of Christ, who do you say He is? Those descended from the Reformers’ traditions don’t really know what to do. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church (Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VII, St. Augustin, On the Gospel of John, Tractate 124.5). But, then again, why wouldn’t Matthew be consistent and use the dative form (Πέτρῳ) of this new name in the “upon this rock” clause? I am still very curious about Orthodox — I have a book sitting on my desk right now, in fact, I’m meaning to read, The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware. If we agree that Matthew meant to say that Jesus was building His Church on a solid foundation of stone, then it is at best unclear what he meant by the wordplay between Πέτρος and πέτρα — only that he meant it — and any question of the meaning becomes more a exegetical and theological one than a grammatical or lexicographical one. Matthew 15. Comparatively, we find the arthrous σκοτία in 1:5, first in a PP (dative), then arthrous again as a nominative. This video answers the following question posed to me:-How do Orthodox respond to the Roman Catholic interpretation of Matt 16:18 and the Papacy? Now, I fully understand that this is speculative; however, my point is that it’s speculative on both our parts. 1 Clement) and onward through church history, as first among their brother bishops. In our relativistic modern world, as the OC comes more into contact with it, it will be interesting to see whether it will end up being any more effective than the Anglicans have been when the issue of same sex marriage starts to be pressed – as one day it will. See, that’s one of the things I wasn’t sure about, and don’t really understand. If Matthew did wish to declare that Peter was of a lighter sort of rock than πέτρα, he would have used the word λίθος for “stone”, as he used elsewhere (cf. For instance, even though I was baptized by a priest of the OCA (Orthodox Church in America, which is one of several jurisdictions in the U.S.) I could take communion at a church of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese or a Russian Orthodox Church, or a large number of other jurisdictions. That is, the bishops and hierarchy of the Church seem to be mostly orthodox, but some parishes and priests and nuns on the ground want to run in another direction. This is another problem I think ought to be solved. Thus Simon is the rock upon which the Church will be built by Jesus. Matthew 16:18(ESV) Verse Thoughts. The Evangelists would not have recorded Peter’s name as Πέτρος if he were not already known as that. Πέτρος was Peter’s name, not Πέτρας, not Πέτρινος or Πετρώοδης or Πετραῖος. If there is a distinction between them at all, it is between petra, a great mass of rock, and petros, stone as a monumental building material — for building, say, a Church. What confused me in making the above statement is the definition in the LSJ, which give simply “stone”; I did not adequately follow through the references. Matthew 16:18 - I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. Thus, it seems reasonable to view the term as “assembly”, but Jesus’ particular assembly, i.e., Christ-followers. It appears, then, that the masculine form πέτρος, as a word for “a stone,” had generally fallen into disuse in Koine Greek by the New Testament era. It is a question worth researching — and a lot of scholarly ink has been spilled on it. He was aware of this, and He was especially concerned that His disciples knew who He was. Q: When the Greek version of Matthew’s Gospel translates Jesus’ Aramaic statement to Peter, “You are kepha (rock) and on this kepha (rock) I will build my church” (Matt. . Under the entry for ΠΈΤΡΟΣ (which is on the same page in both physical books) a distinction is made at the outset, pointing the reader back to ΠΈΤΡΑ for particulars. I feel that God has appointed our pope and bishops to lead us by the Holy Spirit, and I will trust in their guidance. This is what is called a demonstrative pronoun, and it’s used for pointing at things — and it can point at people just as well as anything else. Really? 37 For information on the form, structure, and authenticity of Matt 16:17-19, see Appendix A.. 38 William Bauer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG), 3rd ed., rev. Not only does that not make sense — but Jesus doesn’t say “other” — he says ταύτῃ, this rock. Scripture quotations marked (ESV) are from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version, copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Bibles. In any case, up until the Eastern Schism, most in the East accepted Rome as the See of Peter. If you have more evidence, I’ll be glad to discuss it. I’m not sure what the official Church position is on that today, since the Church hierarchy is pretty well set up under the pope as a supreme head. It would be very strange indeed if the only case of this word in the New Testament to refer to a “rock” came at the moment of such a dramatic declaration — indeed, at the moment of Peter’s renaming by Jesus, as far as the Gospel of Matthew is concerned. I can only cite the scholarship of others. Anyhow, much is made of these churches and there is some discussion of what is essential. on StudyLight.org Yes, you are engaging in void speculation without any real evidence, and really getting down in the weeds. Jesus himself is the rock the church is founded on. This was St. Cyprian’s understanding: ‘Even Peter, whom the Lord first chose and upon whom He built His Church, when Paul later disputed with him over circumcision, did not claim insolently any prerogative for himself, nor make any arrogant assumptions nor say that he had the primacy and ought to be obeyed’ (Epist. In Matthew 16:18, the word Jesus used for "church" is ekklesia (Strong's #1577), and it is so translated in the King James Version 115 times. Also the Coptic Orthodox Church, unlike some of the other Oriental Orthodox Churches, with which it shares communion, officially requires that all converts be rebaptised. Matthew 16:18: And I tell you that you are Peter,The Greek word for "Peter" means "rock. She might be correct in all she does and I might be wrong everywhere I disagree (I doubt this, but it is possible). But when πέτρα is used of a person in the NT, each and every time that person is Christ. Cephas is a Syriac word, meaning the same as Peter - a rock, or stone. 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